<strong>III. Replacement of Eric's gutters by a different company, and what it revealed</strong> <br /> <br /> Subsequently, when we had our roof replaced, I was so impressed with <em>that</em> company -- which also and quot;doesand quot; gutters -- that I decided to get our (just-replaced) gutters replaced, as well, since I was still unhappy with Eric's gutters, both in terms of the color and in the fact that we still had leaks and overflows -- even with the Gutterglove Icebreaker removed and no debris in the gutters! Also, I was just sick of dealing with the on-again, off-again nature of Eric's crew showing up or not showing up -- wasting our time, and holding up other projects we needed to get done, such as replacing the rotted wood -- which had rotted, at least in part, due to our previously-overflowing gutters. Once again, though, this proved very revealing as to Eric's company's quality of work (or lack thereof), since these (new) guys -- with 26 years in the business and a long history of satisfied customers -- found that, among other things, Eric's company's gutters were not pitched properly; were not sealed where they abutted the house; were a mix of .032and quot; (which we had contracted for) and lesser-gauge aluminum; employed cheap gutter hangers that can pull away from the fascia boards, and strip miters (as per our contract), which can leak; and moreover, should have been 6and quot; gutters (which didn't cost much more) (and 3and quot;x 4and quot; downspouts), not 5and quot; gutters (and 2and quot;x 3and quot; downspouts), given the size of our roof and the steepness of its slopes. On top of that, we decided to ditch the Gutterglove Icebreaker entirely, at least for the moment, because we would have had to adapt it to our (new) larger 6and quot; gutters with brackets installed in the gutters; because of the complexity of the electrical installation, if we were really going to do it and quot;rightand quot;; and because we now have an ice-and-water shield as an underlayment to our new roof, which, while it won't <em>prevent</em> ice dams from forming, at least should <em>protect</em> us from any damage <em>caused</em> by ice dams. This, as I understand it, is actually an alternative way of thinking about ice dams: protect the roof from damage without worrying about the formation of ice dams, <em>per se</em>. Our larger downspouts, moreover, should give us fewer problems with ice dams, and our larger gutters and more porous (new) gutter covers should give us fewer problems with overflowing gutters, even if we have to clean the gutters once or twice per year. <br /> <br /> <strong>IV. Summary</strong> <br /> <br /> So, among other things, we got improperly-functioning gutters from Eric, not all of the proper gauge aluminum, with cheap gutter hangers and (inferior) strip miters, with totally non-functional Gutterglove Icebreaker in terms of its ability to melt ice (which we paid and quot;big bucksand quot; for) -- with atrocious-looking GFCIs (the distal heating-cable terminations), haphazardly strewn on the ground -- installed and quot;whenever they got around to itand quot; (or so it seemed), over the course of 3 months -- and lacking and quot;Walkway Icebreakerand quot; (which Eric had never heard of) in areas where it should have been installed (as confirmed by Gutterglove technical support). Based on all of these factors (and more), I award NGC Exterior Design (Gutterglove of Maryland) an and quot;F.and quot; <br /> <br /> <strong>V. Discussion with Eric, after the fact</strong> <br /> <br /> After I had written most of the above but hadn't yet posted it, I spoke with Eric on the phone, asking him for a complete refund based on all the and quot;built-inand quot; deficiencies in the gutters, downspouts, and Gutterglove Icebreaker and associated heating cables. He said that was impossible, and he could only correct our problems. (How can you correct problems if you can't acknowledge them?) He said, for example, that Gutterglove headquarters was sending out someone from Gutterglove of Wisconsin to train him properly in setting up the heating cables for Gutterglove Icebreaker -- and that he was as frustrated as I was (REALLY?), because Gutterglove had first told him one way to set up the heating cables (which was, in fact, totally non-functional, assuming Gutterglove had even told him that way at all), and now, they were telling him a different way. (He certainly never called me to tell me this, or to apologize for the non-functional heating cables -- which I believe he was made aware of (weeks before) when Gutterglove headquarters called him, after I made them aware of the problem.) <br /> <br /> When I mentioned that the color was wrong -- that I had been promised the color of the original gutters -- he said that I had chosen the color (not true, since the color was not the same as the original). When I mentioned that I had asked him (Eric) who had chosen the color and he had replied and quot;I don't know,and quot; he denied ever saying that. (I remember his saying that, because I was incredulous.) (So who <em>did</em> choose the color?) <br /> <br /> When I mentioned that the gutters were of one color and sections of the downspouts and downspout hangers and screws were of another, he said that since I had torn down the gutters, that couldn't be determined -- but I told him I have pictures (and even samples, of his gutters and downspouts after they had been taken down and set next to each other). <br /> <br /> When I told him the gauge of aluminum of the gutters was a mix of .032and quot; and lesser gauges, he had no comment, and seemed unconcerned. Moreover, even though he returned my call (I had left him a message to please call me), he seemed to want to and quot;move onand quot; to other calls and presumably other customers -- in the same manner as I witnessed with him and his crew during our gutter and Gutterglove installation. <br /> <br /> When I mentioned that we should have had 6and quot; gutters, not 5and quot; gutters, he said that he had given me the choice between 5and quot; and 6and quot; gutters, and I had picked 5and quot; gutters -- which was certainly not the case, since I had never heard of 6and quot; gutters until the new company recommended and installed them -- and furthermore, Eric would have had to explain that Gutterglove Icebreaker needed to be adapted to 6and quot; gutters with brackets -- if he even knew -- and he never explained that to me. <br /> <br /> When I mentioned to Eric that the gutters weren't pitched properly, he said that was not true, because he was there and saw that they were pitched properly. (The gutter over our garage, for example, formed a and quot;smiley,and quot; which would never have allowed it to drain properly -- and was presumably why we had so much overflow from that gutter, even with the Gutterglove removed. In fact, today, we have had periods of very heavy rain, and there has been no overflow from the new gutters -- as there would have been from Eric's gutters.) <br /> <br /> When I asked if he had seen the videos from Gutterglove of Wisconsin that showed how to properly install and set up the heating cables for Gutterglove Icebreaker, he said, and quot;What videos?and quot; He said, why don't I get the people from Gutterglove of Wisconsin to send him the links to the videos? I said he can contact them himself if he wants the links. <br /> <br /> Overall, I fault both Eric and Gutterglove headquarters for not properly training Eric and his crew, and Eric and his crew, <em>per se,</em> for installing improperly-functioning gutters that were and quot;cosmetically-challengedand quot; and used cheap components. <br /> <br /> Final verdict: big waste of time and money.